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Thriving with Technology Podcast - Natalie Hampton How Sit With Us Stops Bullying
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Fighting Bully's With LOVE
In this episode, August sits down with Natalie Hampton, award winning App Creator and world. Natalie has been recognized as one People Magazine's 25 Women Changing The World, United Nations Outstanding Youth Delegate for her powerful work to prevent bullying. She's been featured on NPR, Apple's "100 Apps We Love," Psychology Today, and CBS News.
Bullying Stops Here
You'll be riveted listening to this amazing young woman talk about her horrible bullying experience in middle school and you'll love hearing how she rose above it.
Natalie struck back and has turned bullying on it's head. She's created an opportunity for school kids to take bullying into their own hands and prevent it by giving would-be victims of bullies--a place to go.
August talks to Natalie about the inspiring story behind Sit With US and her plans for its future. You'll also hear about the new Tech Wellness Collection at sevenly.org, benefiting Sit With Us. It's a show you don't want to miss.
Want to Stop the Bully's Now?
If you're a parent or a teacher longing to stop bullying or just a savvy smart kid whose ready to introduce the Sit With Us experience to your school, you can download this Appy Award winning app and find materials to print (as the analog version)of Sit With Us here
And Another BIG idea to Impact Bullying Behaviors
If you're here for more ideas on how to prevent bullying, you'll want to hear from this Anti-bullying expert: Lori Woodley, the founder of an incredible hands-on program that shows kids how to be bold, compassionate leaders, ALL IT TAKES thinks stopping bullying is KEY to growing up healthy. Here's her advice:
"Tackling the bully problem is key to our youth growing into emotionally healthy adults. In order to even touch the problem, our youth and adults around them must be willing to NOTICE that bullying is happening in the first place.
One of the main problems in intervention is the lack of purposeful awareness that someone is being targeted and harmed, emotionally or physically.
Too many youth and adults are blind, or numb, to what is happening around them and the impact bullying is having.
To begin to STOP letting Bully's happen It is critical that we begin to NOTICE what is being said and done around us and then check in on how we feel about it.
- Are we okay with it?
- Do we feel proud of what we are Noticing?
- Does what we NOTICE match our values?
- Do we feel pain for another and justify ignoring it for ‘_____’ reason?
When we NOTICE that we do not feel good about what we are witnessing, we are intrinsically empowered to purposely CHOOSE how we want to feel and the environment we want to be a part of.
From here we can consider options on how to get to those feelings and that environment. Doing nothing to positively impact hurtful situations can have long lasting traumatic impact to both the bully and the bystander who does nothing.
NOTICING a problem and the feelings/environment around it, and CHOOSING it to be different, is a catalyst to change and a powerful tool for developing empathy.
But nothing actually happens until we ACT
Good intentions, empathy, wishing and hoping does not positively impact bullying situations at all. Impact only happens when we ACT. Sometimes we need to seek support from an adult or other authority, other times we can invite a bullied person into our circle or to our lunch table. The way Sit With Us App does that is brilliant.
There are other ways to prevent, reduce and eliminate harmful bullying behavior. All of them however, start by noticing it is happening, choosing how we want to influence it, and then powerfully stepping into action to make the difference we decide."
Public speaker, trainer and author in communication, personal power and social impact, Lori is Founder and Executive Director for All It Takes, a non-profit organization that teaches bold and compassionate leadership through her Notice Choose Act® curriculum.
Thank you Lori! Now, Here's the Full Transcript of our visit Anti-Bullying activist, Natalie Hampton:
Announcer: Welcome to thriving with technology, the tech wellness podcast. It's conversation and information designed to bring balance to your relationship with technology. Your host is August Brice. Today, August talks with Natalie Hampton, the teenager from southern California who invented the anti-bullying app, Sit With Us. You'll hear her story of how Natalie's experience with bullying in middle school led her to create Sit With Us, which now has over 120,000 users all around the world. And, you'll hear about a special campaign with sevenly.org to raise awareness and funds for the app. And now here's August.
August Brice: Hello everyone. Today we're chatting with Natalie Hampton. She's an amazing, outstanding human. She's currently 19, a freshman at Stanford and okay, that's really a big deal, but in high school, she created Sit With Us. It's a really world changing anti bullying app. Since then, Natalie Hampton has been recognized as Radio Disney's Hero for Change, Outstanding Youth Delegate for the United Nations, one of People Magazine's 25 women changing the world, USA delegate to the Anne Frank International Youth Network Summer School, Copper Black Award for creative achievement from the Mensa foundation, Newsweek's nominee for Woman of the Future. Wow, Natalie, that makes you downright amazing.
Natalie Hampton: Thank you so much.
August Brice: We want to hear all about what you're working on now, but first, we want to hear about Sit With Us. I know it was born in response to a very personal, painful journey, but I'd really like to hear this story.
Natalie Hampton: Yes. So when I was in seventh grade, I went through a pretty horrible bullying experience, where I was physically attacked four separate times. I was sent death threats. I was cyber-bullied, shoved into lockers, pretty much everything. And on top of that I ate lunch alone every day, and that experience was so isolating and embarrassing. I was luckily able to change schools and found a much more inclusive place, but it really showed me that it makes such a difference when you're in a school community where being kind is the norm. And so, that's what made me want to give back and do something to help the kids that aren't as lucky as I am, and don't get to escape their situations.
August Brice: Oh Wow. I really want to talk about a little bit of the detail of that next level bullying because it seems so extraordinary. I'm glad it has a good ending, but do you feel comfortable at all talking about some of the detail of ... I mean, really the physical bullying, the cyber-bullying, all of it?
Natalie Hampton: Yeah, definitely. I'm very open about everything, so feel free to ask me any question that you have.
August Brice: Okay. So I really want to know how does a bully get away with actually physically assaulting someone at a school?
Natalie Hampton: That's something that I'm still trying to figure out. It wasn't anything that I could really discern at first, because some of the bullies I knew, some of them I didn't know. One of the attacks was, the only friend group I found, pretty much ended up turning on me, and they orchestrated this attack where they beat me up and stole my computer. All these people who I thought were my friends, mugged me in the hallway in front of pretty much the entire school, and no one did anything. In response, the administration did nothing as well. Even though these things were happening in a very public way on their campus, they refused to take any action.
August Brice: Wow. Do you think this is kind of bullying is happening a lot out there? I mean, it's incredible what you're saying.
Natalie Hampton: I definitely think it's happening out there. What was happening, is there was this head of school who was really looking forward to the end of her career and retirement, and so she was hoping that there would be no scandals before she left. All of these horrible things were happening, at the same time there was a teacher who was raping students.
August Brice: Oh my gosh.
Natalie Hampton: There were multiple other students being attacked as well, but all of it was being shoved under the rug and not addressed, because they thought the addressing the issue head on would ruin the reputation of the institution.
August Brice: Natalie, oh my gosh. I'm so sorry. Kids like you were suffering. You were physically hurt, mentally hurt, because some coward wanted to protect their political position. I can't believe it. It's unbelievable. Oh, you know, honestly, this is like one of the things the internet is really good for, because this is going to shine a light on things that really need to be brought to everyone's attention. This kind of crap. I'm really, really sorry about the bullying you went through, and as a mom I would be so angry and devastated. I just have to know what did your mom do? How did she feel about this?
Natalie Hampton: It's pretty interesting because this was my mom's dream for me. It's her Alma Mater. She went there for high school, and it's this all girls school, so as soon as she found out that I was a girl, I was destined to go there. I grew up wearing the sweatshirts, and so it was this long dream that she envisioned for me. Once I was finally there, it was like a dream come true. But, once things started to not work out in the way that I had hoped, she was actually the first person to be my advocate, and even though it was this dream for her, she was the first one suggesting that we apply to other schools and she was going in and demanding action from the administrators, and so she has been my biggest supporter through all of this.
August Brice: Wow. Your mom. That's of course, excellent news. You're an amazing person and obviously she did an amazing job. You know what they say? It's not the problems that you face in life. It's actually, and this is a great example, how you react to them. You were put in this horrible situation for what? For a year? Then what happened?
Natalie Hampton: I spent two years at the school. I thought that maybe my first year was just bad luck, and so I decided to give it another try. In eighth grade is actually when the attacks got a lot more physical. What happened to me was actually assault with a deadly weapon, because a girl in my science class, tried to hurt me with a pair of scissors. And after that point, we knew that there was no way that it could get better, and so that's when we began to look at other schools.
August Brice: Oh my gosh. Natalie, you're an incredible, incredible person. I am heartbroken, but I'm also amazed, and because I know the rest of the story, you turned it around. So what was the next step in getting out of this situation?
Natalie Hampton: I applied out, and I got into my first choice school, and from my first day there it was like night and day. There were people to sit with that lunch, and there were people helping me figure out my schedule, and everyone seemed so open and welcome. I felt like I was finally seen, and it was a really crazy feeling to get adjusted to. I spent a lot of time just recovering, because I was diagnosed with pretty severe PTSD.
August Brice: Of course.
Natalie Hampton: So even in my new school, I was having panic attacks and I was still dealing with the effects of that. It took a long time to heal. But once I had spent two years in my new school, that's when I started to think of ways to give back, because it was something that was so important to me.
August Brice: Well, that is, first of all, humankind, the way it's supposed to be, right? Kids welcoming you and making you feel included. That's how it's always supposed to be for everybody. That's what I love about the app. It's so incredible because it's actually bullying prevention. How did you think about this? Tell me that the thought process of actually conceiving the app.
Natalie Hampton: I was thinking on my experience, and I was thinking about, what if I didn't have to go through all of this in the first place. It would have been so nice to have at least one person to talk to you through all of that, because I truly felt so alone. I really felt like if I had had one person, that would have changed everything and. That experience of sitting alone at lunch really stuck with me and that feeling was something that I never forgot. I began to formulate ways to help pair kids who need that friend with friends in their school. Because, I know that in every school community, there's someone who's willing to make a difference. And so, the problem was just trying to figure out how to pair them with people who actually need help.
August Brice: Okay. So the memory of that pain, of being excluded and being so lonely, it caused you to create something to help the other kids experience what you experienced. Natalie. Thank God your heart wasn't hardened in spite of all of it, you had the ability to look outside, and not inside yourself. You had the wherewithal to think about helping others. So, you were the right person for this to happen to. I mean it's so sick and unfortunate, but honestly not only did you come up with the solution, you were technically savvy enough to do some of the coding for Sit With Us yourself. I mean this is what your mom told me.
Natalie Hampton: I did get help. I worked side by side with a professional coder, but at the same time, I was taking coding lessons and doing graphic design. And so, I definitely did get help, but I did play a main role in the development of the app.
August Brice: Okay. So tell us how it works. How does it actually form the connection?
Natalie Hampton: So, it's a lunch planning app, and basically it's like a social network. When you sign up, you sign up with your school, and you create a profile page, and then if you choose to be a Sit With Us ambassador, you take a pledge saying that anyone who tries to join your table is welcome. From there, you say, my name is this, I'm sitting here at this time, you plan a lunch, and that goes out to everyone in your school. So if you're a kid who's bullied or lonely or just needs a table to sit at, you open the app, and you're greeted with a full list of the tables you can join without any fear of rejection.
August Brice: Oh, I just want ...
Natalie Hampton: ... you can join without any fear of rejection.
August Brice: I just want to know, how did you feel the first time you saw that app work?
Natalie Hampton: It was so much relief, because we started in February of 2016 and it wasn't workable until September. We went through probably 1000 versions, and I almost thought that it was never going to work. Then suddenly it worked. then we released and it started growing. We were getting about 10000 new users a week, and it just exploded in ways that I never could have imagined.
August Brice: The very first time though that somebody actually used it, do you remember their story? Or do you remember what it was like when you saw somebody else use it and it worked?
Natalie Hampton: Yeah. I almost did it as a therapy project for me. I never thought that it would work. I never thought that it was possible to begin with. Then once we released it I didn't think anyone would use it. But within the first few weeks we got a letter from this girl in Texas who was a new student at a big public school, and her mom printed out an article online and handed it to her.
Natalie Hampton: She started a club, and within the first few weeks she already had a friend group. She was president of the Sit With Us club, so she had a leadership position in her community, and she felt so at home in this new school that was so scary to her. The fact that I was able to help one person within the first month of the app being out was incredible for me.
August Brice: I'm sure you hear it over and over again, right?
Natalie Hampton: Yeah. It's, I thought that there would be some sort of user profile of the types of people who are becoming ambassadors. But we've spanned across everything, from jocks to theater kids, freshmen to seniors. It seems like everyday we're hearing from new people that want to get it started in their schools.
August Brice: Yeah, well you remember, I think I told you about how I heard about it. I was at this teen talk in Laguna Beach. This really extraordinary woman named Lela Rakhshani told me that because of something really tragic, there was a young man who took his life at her school, but he also happened to be a bit proponent of the app. As a tribute to him, after he died the entire school downloaded it and began to use is. I want to ... Hold on, I want to pull up her words because they're really, I think it sums it up so nicely.
August Brice: She said that, "Since we started this, I have not once seen a lonely kid on campus. Not one outcast student sitting alone. The position my school is in now is really one of the most heartwarming things I could possibly encounter". All because of you, Natalie.
Natalie Hampton: That is insane for me to hear. It's so surreal.
August Brice: Isn't it? It's just, and I know they're continuing using the app this year. I've heard, I think your mom told me this, that you call them Up-Standers? Kids who are willing to make an inclusive choice?
Natalie Hampton: Yeah. I think it's sort of a play on words on bystander. I feel almost as if bystanders are almost as bad as the bully, because they're watching people get hurt and not saying anything. An Up-Stander is someone who notices injustice in their community and takes a stand, and does something about it. I'm trying to encourage the development of Up-Standers in every school through that.
August Brice: Well how do most schools introduce Sit With Us to their communities? Do they just find Up-Standers? Or is it their parents or teachers?
Natalie Hampton: I really wanted this to be something that is created by the kids for the kids, and so I want to give all of the leadership tools to the kids themselves. Usually it's one kid in a school that says, "I'm interested in starting this", and we send them a welcome packet. We give them all the information to get it started. Then we let them take it and run.
Natalie Hampton: What most kids do is, they start a club. They become a leader in their community almost immediately, and they're able to address the needs of their community very personally. Because I don't know what each specific school needs. But if it's the students of that community coming together and creating this themselves, then they're being able to help their community very first hand.
August Brice: Yay. It's about time. Why do bullies always have to run the school? I mean, think about it. Even years and decades and decades ago when I was in high school, it's the same thing. The power in the school tends to go to the people who manipulate. I mean, the bullies and the mean girls.
Natalie Hampton: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
August Brice: Sit With Us takes that power away from them and gives it to the people who really should have had it all along. The people who are of good character. Who are for inclusion and friendship and equality. This is great.
Natalie Hampton: Mm-hmm (affirmative). It's such a low time commitment too. Kids are able to make a positive impact in their community within two seconds of just using an app. Once you get that going daily, it influences the community to be more inclusive as a whole.
August Brice: It's wonderful, it really is. How many people are using it now?
Natalie Hampton: We have over 100,000 users, and we're in eight different countries. The numbers are hard to approximate because a lot of schools don't allow phones, so we have an analog version with a bulletin board that we help schools set up. We have a ton of kids on that program as well.
August Brice: Oh, I love it. Where is it being used the most? Is it elementary school? The analog version? In junior high? Or do you have the most people using the app? Do you have any tracking on it?
Natalie Hampton: We have seen all types of places. We have elementary schools, all the way up through middle, high school, college campuses. Even graduate schools, and the workplace as well. We've been hearing from nurses at hospitals that are using it to coordinate shifts, and places of worship, and conferences that are adapting it as well. It's kind of become applicable for every situation.
August Brice: It's so great. I can see that, yes. I would, at a church or something, I think that's a great idea. You know, there's this wave of enlightenment concerning kids and adults, all of us being much more mindful and balanced when it comes to using our technology.
Natalie Hampton: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
August Brice: I know that our phones are a tool of distraction and disconnection typically. But you've turned it around. But I also know in talking to your mom, Caroline Hampton, who is also your partner in disseminating this app, she mentioned that you have some thoughts of your own on the subject of kids, phones, talking to each other, putting them away at a certain time. Do you want to share some of your thoughts about that?
Natalie Hampton: Yeah. I've been at the brunt of the negative end of technology use. I've been sent death threats and I have seen what kids can do to destroy each other over social media. What I wanted to do is to create a social network that can only be used for good. I hope that it trains kids to be using social media in a positive way, and in a way to help others. In the same way, it's using social media to create a physical connection. You're going through your phone to find a physical lunch place. To make friends face to face. It's kind of bridging the barriers between face to face and technology. I hope that encourages kids to put the phone down and have a real conversation with someone.
August Brice: Make a phone stack, or at least turn it over. I love it. It's just, and you know, following up on that whole idea of tech for good and good tech, we talk a lot about privacy and security at Tech Wellness. Can you tell me about your privacy and security options when you're signing up for the app? How does it work exactly?
Natalie Hampton: Definitely. It is an app that's marketed towards kids, so we want to make sure that it's very private and very secure. Once you sign in with your school name and you're registered with your school, it creates a micro community within your school. You're not going to be seeing random people. Non students can't join in and start posting or friending kids from a school. Basically it just creates a micro community for the users in that school.
August Brice: That's good. Have you gone to any of the school districts? Or does someone on behalf of Sit With Us go to the school district and try to ... I know it's great for students to bring it into the system. But are there any school systems that sort of have top down the idea of using the app?
Natalie Hampton: Yeah. There is a user in Maryland who started it at his school, and it was working so well that he brought it to his school district. Now he's helping run it in over 200 schools. That was something that he took the initiative to do, and just happily reported it to us one day. Now he's running it in a ton of schools in Maryland. I am just happy to give him the leadership abilities to do that.
August Brice: That's awesome. I will put a link to him on the site too, if other people are interested in working through him.
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August Brice: Can you walk us through the process of signing up? Where would someone go? How would they do it?
Natalie Hampton: We are in every type of app store, Google Play Store. Whatever type of phone you have, it's in that app store. If you search Sit With Us and download it, as soon as you sign up it walks you through everything. You can sign up with your e-mail or a phone number, and none of that data we collect, again to be very secure. You set up your profile page, and from there you can search other users in your school.
August Brice: That sounds great. I know you're asked this all the time, but I want to know too. What have you learned about bullying and how to prevent it? What have you learned about the mentality of a bully?
Natalie Hampton: I've seen both sides. Creating this app has shown me what a universal problem it is because I've heard stories of bullying from so many different people from so many different countries. At the same time, it's shown me how many people out there want to help. I've heard so many heartwarming stories where someone went through bullying and was able to turn it around, and through Sit With Us now made a group of friends or something like that. From these students who are standing up in their communities and saying that we need to put an end to bullying. While it is such a universal problem, there is such universal solution with all the people that are trying to do good.
August Brice: That's true. It is. It's great. I just wonder how much parents, teachers, administrators play in promoting a non-bullying, inclusive environment.
Natalie Hampton: I think they have to be there to listen and support the needs of the kids, because I wasn't being listened to when all of my bullying took place and I was being silenced and shut out. That made me feel so voiceless, but because I had my parents listening and supporting me throughout all of it, that's what helped me get through it all. If you're a parent or an administrator, be there for your kids in a non-judgemental way. Make sure they know that they can come to you and that there won't be repercussions for speaking out against something and that they won't be blamed.
August Brice: That's good.
Natalie Hampton: As well as setting up something like this. Just give them the tools that they need and ask them their story and listen. The most important thing is to raise the voices of the kids around you instead of speak for them. Allow them to find their own voices and then listen and amplify.
August Brice: That's good, because I know there's probably a lot of parents out there who are watching their child get bullied and need a strategy for dealing with it because, unlike you who were so strong and are so strong, there are some kids that just don't even know how to find a voice, just want to run the other way. I think parents are looking for strategies for, "How do I protect my child?" Any ideas?
Natalie Hampton: As long as they know that you have their back, I mean that is really what saved me from everything is knowing that no matter what happened at school ... I had no one in my corner at school. None of my administrators, none of my teachers would advocate for me, but at home I had both of my parents and I knew that very clearly that I had their support and that they had my back, and so that's what really saved me through everything. At the same time, I found an outlet. I poured myself into writing, into painting, into drawing, and I felt like having a creative outlet to express negative emotions helped me get it out on the page and so it wasn't in my head anymore. That's another strategy that I can recommend to parents for watching their kid go through that is find an outlet whether it's karate or self-defense or painting or whatever it is that your kid loves.
August Brice: That's great advice. Then I wonder if there's advice for the kids who are friends of bullies but wish they would stop?
Natalie Hampton: I just think that one person speaking up makes all the difference. I know it can be super scary to go up to someone and go against what they're saying, and you fear that you'll lose your friends or lose a friend group over that, but the most important thing is if you see it to not be a bystander, because then you're just continuing that cycle of abuse. You can get a trusted adult. You can get other friends to go with you, but make sure you stop that action before it's too late.
August Brice: Natalie, you know what? Because you have stood up, you're setting such an incredible example that I think that it's ... It is. It's just the beginning of a huge sea change that we're looking at this differently. You're right. There's no reason for it to keep going. I'd like, just before we go, if you could share maybe a couple of success stories that have made you the happiest or surprised you?
Natalie Hampton: Yeah. My favorite one is definitely that girl from Texas, because it's the first one we got. We've talked to her over the phone. I've Skyped with her, and she is just thriving in this community that was so foreign to her at the beginning just because of a flyer that her mom printed out for her. We have amazing ambassadors like the kid in Maryland who's bringing it to over 200 schools. We keep getting stories like that every day where kids are seeing an ad online or they're hearing about it from someone else, and then they're taking the initiative and starting it at their schools. We've gotten tons of pictures too from all these lunch tables. It's just such an amazing thing to see.
August Brice: I love the Sit With Us community. I'm so thrilled for you. What's next?
Natalie Hampton: I just want to bring the app as far as I can. Right now, we're partnering with the clothing brand Hollister, and we are creating a line of clothes that encourage inclusivity during lunch. Then the proceeds go back to us, and with that we are going to be coding the app in new languages. We're going to be creating updates, and we're going to be expanding as far as we can.
August Brice: That's great, because you need as much support as you possibly can, because the app is free everyone. It's a free download. The analog version package, is that also free to schools?
Natalie Hampton: Yeah. Definitely. It's hard because every time iOS updates or the Google Play store updates, we have to factor in those coding costs to keep it up to date. We are a non-profit, and so all of this is a passion project. Funds like what we're getting from Hollister are what keep us alive and keep us going.
August Brice: We are passionate about your passion project. We love everything about this. The tech and the non-tech program. Of course, we want to support you too. You can also, everyone listening, you can also not just shop at Hollister. You can support by donating directly to Sit With Us. You can also shop at Sevenly. Sevenly makes it easy and fun, and you can share really positive anti-bullying message. They have beautiful, hand-stamped cuffs. There's cute tees and tanks. One of my favorites is the one that says, "Real Life Over Likes." There's also a cute peace one. Every purchase also benefits the great work of Sit With Us.
Natalie Hampton: I love the line. When I saw it on the website, my mouth dropped open because it looks so professional and so nice.
August Brice: Yeah, it is, and the fabrication is beautiful. I'm thrilled. I'm so happy that you're the first Tech Wellness Sevenly partner. It's great.
Natalie Hampton: I'm so excited.
August Brice: We are so excited too. Can't wait for this just to be international and everybody everywhere just it's a standard school practice. You get to high school, or is it junior high that the app would be downloaded? Is technology allowed in junior highs?
Natalie Hampton: It depends on the school. For my high school, it was not allowed in middle school but allowed in high school, and it really depends on the school. We just have both available. Whatever a school needs, we can provide them with that.
August Brice: Is there any dream that you haven't told us about with Sit With Us yet that you want to share?
Natalie Hampton: My biggest goal is that any kid anywhere in the world could open their phone and have access to this tool. What we're going to keep doing is opening it in more countries and coding it into new languages and just to make it as accessible as possible, because, as I said before, it is a universal problem, and there is a universal solution. I just want to get this tool out to as many kids as possible.
August Brice: Natalie Hampton elevating kindness, killing bullying. I love it. One more time, can we have your URL so that people can go right there and download it?
Natalie Hampton: Yeah. It is www.sitwithus.io.
August Brice: We'll be there. Love it. You know what? I think we're going to download it for the office. Come sit with me.
Natalie Hampton: That's amazing.
August Brice: And bring a salad. Thank you so much Natalie, and best wishes at Stanford. I just can't wait to watch your career.
Natalie Hampton: Thank you so much.
August Brice: This is incredible, but I just imagine you [inaudible 00:29:17] bigger things ahead. Congratulations.
Natalie Hampton: Thank you.
August Brice: Thanks again Natalie. Thank you so much. You've been listening to the Thriving with Technology Tech Wellness podcast. If you found this show helpful, please like and follow us on iTunes. It would mean so much to everyone who works so hard on these podcasts. Also, visit us any time at techwellness.com. Until next time, be well.